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« Отговор #3840 -: Ноември 15, 2025, 18:07:53 »
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Исполнительный директор по безопасности НАЭК Энергоатом Игорь Фурсенко с марта 2025 года работает администратором в компании Fire Point, которая производит дальнобойные ракеты Фламинго. Благодаря этой работе у Игоря Фурсенко есть отсрочка от мобилизации, а также возможность выезжать за границу.

Прокурор также сообщила, что Игорь Фурсенко устроился работать в украинскую оборонную компанию Fire Point и благодаря этому получил отсрочку от мобилизации. Во время судебного заседания прокурор САП привела фрагмент телефонного разговора, где Фурсенко сообщил об этом своей жене.

Согласно официальным данным, Фурсенко работает в Fire Point администратором с 19 марта 2025 года.
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По данным следствия, Игорь Фурсенко был бухгалтером бэк-офиса по легализации денег. На пленках НАБУ Фурсенко фигурирует как Рёшик.
https://fakty.com.ua/ru/ukraine/20251113-figurant-shem-mindicha-vlashtuvavsya-do-vyrobnyka-raket-flamingo-shhob-yizdyty-za-kordon-sap/

И по фламингото се лепнаха кафявите петна...

Предвид бързите обороти на вентилатора, отварям облог на кой етап от производството Ушичките стърчащи фондерлайняни ще върнат пак телефона си на фабрични настройки  :spiny:
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« Отговор #3841 -: Ноември 15, 2025, 18:44:15 »
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Торби с пари и златна тоалетна - корупционната криза, която поглъща правителството на Зеленски
Естествено продължение на западните ценности.
Американците спряха парите, европците обедняха... дойде време да се "оптимизират" вече раздадените чувалчета.
Украйна си заминава, всичко което е там може да попадне в ръцете наПутин, вместо на запада ( както си е по право на светът изграден на правила).
Инвентаризация и изземване на всякакви активи, били те и насрано злато.
ЕС е вреден за вашето здраве!

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« Отговор #3842 -: Ноември 15, 2025, 20:43:07 »
Буквально неделю назад датчане узнали, что частная компания Fire Point без предупреждения продала технологии производства оружия совместно с долей в компании арабским инвесторам. Шокированные «Фридрикссоны» ищут способ избежать репутационных потерь, поскольку Дания влила 500 млн крон (Зе продавил Fire Point в межправсоглашение) на производство ракет Фламинго и дронов, создав косяком Миндича-Зеленского угрозу НАТОвской безопасности.
Не можеш да проумееш глупостта.

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« Отговор #3843 -: Ноември 16, 2025, 17:05:04 »
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Бивш украински премиер: САЩ активно търсят заместник на Зеленски
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„Знам, че през последната половин година американците активно обсъждат, срещат се и канят определени политици от киевския режим във Вашингтон, вероятно си съставят мнение за тях и, доколкото разбирам, формират човека, който би могъл да го замени“, каза Николай Азаров.
https://glasove.com/novini/bivsh-ukrainski-premier-sasht-aktivno-tarsyat-zamestnik-na-zelenski
Не само от киевския режим, поканиха и Путин. :t0328:
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« Отговор #3844 -: Ноември 17, 2025, 17:03:06 »
AP подтверждает: бывший госсекретарь США Майк Помпео вошёл в наблюдательный совет украинской оборонной компании Fire Point — той самой, которую уже год трясёт из-за расследований и которая фигурирует в делах вокруг Тимура Миндича, близкого к Зеленскому бизнесмена.

Макрон сообщил, что около Парижа заработал штаб "коалиции желающих", обсуждается развертывание в Украине западных войск ---вдали от фронта--- после прекращения огня ---

Не можеш да проумееш глупостта.

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« Отговор #3845 -: Ноември 20, 2025, 09:22:10 »
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Denmark stands by Ukrainian arms maker facing corruption probe
Danes hope their corruption-free reputation can guide Ukrainian companies

Danish Defence Minister Troels Lund Poulsen has brushed aside corruption suspicions about Ukrainian arms manufacturer Fire Point, the first company to start production under Denmark’s €1.4 billion scheme to support Ukraine’s defence industry.

“Based on what I have been informed, we have no reason to believe there is a problem,” the minister told the press last week, as he refused to stop working with Fire Point over the corruption investigation.

The Kyiv Independent reported at the end of August that Ukrainian weapons manufacturer Fire Point is being investigated for corruption by Kyiv’s anti-corruption agency, NABU.

The allegations suggest the company has been inflating its delivery numbers to Ukraine’s military to secure large shares of its budget – almost a third of the defence ministry’s drone budget in 2024 – according to the same report.

After this, editor-in-chief Olga Rudenko posted on Facebook that Fire Point had written to her her with the threat of legal action.

The following day, Bloomberg reported that Fire Point would be the first company to benefit from a €1.4 billion Danish scheme for Ukrainian companies to open production lines in Denmark.

After a meeting of EU defence ministers in Copenhagen at the end of August, Lund Poulsen told the press Denmark would invest €1.4 billion in the scheme this year, with the first company expected to start production within “some weeks” and others to follow “later this year”.
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“It’s about how they behave now (…) and that we in Denmark are prepared to handle the cases that may arise”, Jesper Olsen, chairman of the Danish branch of Transparency International told Berlingske last week about cooperation with Ukrainian arms makers.

And Lund Poulsen expressed faith in his country’s laws, saying that ultimately, “a company that is established in Denmark must comply with Danish rules”.
https://www.euractiv.com/news/denmark-stands-by-ukrainian-arms-maker-facing-corruption-probe/
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Last updated: Sep 10, 2025 - 08:39

Оп, едно мини-облогче на хоризонта: Дали бившият държавен секретар, също така бивш директор на ЦРУ и настоящ сеирпомпиер , ще успее да махне омацаното украминго от Безупречната Датска Репутация ако накисне военен министър за еднократна употреба във Vanish без предпране?  :spiny:
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« Отговор #3846 -: Ноември 20, 2025, 20:13:18 »
едно мини-облогче на хоризонта
Това съвсен като приказката: "Нечеме Ви Фордо, зЕмете си Лордо!" ... моя мини облог: Каквото се случва в Украйна ... се случва в Украйна (дори и за Датчаните).
"Върви бавно, говори учтиво и носи дебела тояга със себе си."
[по Teddy Roosevelt]

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« Отговор #3847 -: Днес в 10:51:46 »
Опубликован полный текст мирного плана Трампа по Украине  :surr:

https://rusvesna.su/news/1763703023

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« Отговор #3848 -: Днес в 11:52:27 »
Опубликован полный текст мирного плана Трампа по Украине  :surr:
https://rusvesna.su/news/1763703023
И газетата публикува пълния текст.

Според мен договорености няма да има, тези публикации са  в най-добрия случай разузнаване с бой (от двете страни - руска и американска), а вероятно просто е една партенка.

Следва мнение на американски анализатор, недолюбващ украинците, никак. Макар и сбито, мнението е аргументирано.

Отделно остават въпросите за целите на СВО и тяхното постигане - в началото на седмицата отново бяха потвърдени от руска страна - нищо не се е променило, но и нищо не се казва в проекта въпреки твърденията на Дмитриев, че имало чуваемост от американска страна за руските искания.

Следва продължение.

Trump’s 28-Point Peace Plan for Ukraine is Dead On Arrival
Larry C Johnson
Nov 20
   
 
Ok. The plan to end the war in Ukraine is not Trump’s...
It reportedly was crafted by Trump’s man, Steve Witkoff.
The key territorial provisions in Witkoff’s proposed Ukrainian peace plan primarily involve significant concessions by Ukraine to Russia. The plan reportedly includes Ukraine relinquishing control over the entire eastern Donbas region, which means including areas currently occupied by Russia as well as parts not under Russian occupation.
However, the plan also calls for Russia to freeze its forces in place in Kherson and Zaporhyzhia and to withdraw Russian forces from Kharkiv and Sumy. That is a non-starter for Russia.

According to Oliver Carroll -- a reporter for The Economist -- the Ukrainians also are not thrilled with Witkoff’s plan:

    The plan, they say, is a 28-point document aimed largely at curbing Ukraine’s military power once the war ends.
It envisages a reduction in the number of Ukrainian troops to just 40% of the current level, with no corresponding cut on the Russian side. Ukraine would be required to cede yet more territory, beyond the large parts of its east and south already occupied by Russia.
It would be barred from possessing several classes of weapons, including long-range systems capable of reaching Moscow and St Petersburg. No foreign troops would be allowed on Ukrainian soil.
Planes used by foreign diplomats would be prohibited from flying to Ukraine, raising questions as to Russia’s intentions for Ukrainian airspace. Ukraine would also be required to designate Russian as a second state language, and the local branch of the Russian Orthodox Church, disbanded over Ukrainian charges that it is a tool of Kremlin propaganda and espionage, would be restored.

    The demands are far-fetched. Ukrainians see most of them as non-starters. The country’s forces have been battered on the battlefield lately, but Russia has not achieved a serious operational breakthrough since 2022. Military analysts do not see Ukraine’s position as being so desperate that Mr Zelensky would need to agree to such punishing terms.

Zelensky will not have a choice... The Russian ground forces are advancing rapidly all along the 1000-mile line of contact.
This is one other reason that makes it unlikely that Russia will agree to a Witkoff proposal that requires them to give up captured territory.
“Когато думите изгубят значението си, хората губят свободата си.” Конфуций

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« Отговор #3849 -: Днес в 12:19:35 »
Ами горе-долу така. Слушам вече се започна с редакциите. Сега ще се активира бикът Джон /John Bull/

  с Европата на гърба и ще стане  една, пуканки  :popcorn:.


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https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-donald-trump-kaja-kallas-diplomat-ukraine-war-moscow-russia-peace/
« Последна редакция: Днес в 12:56:14 от Фют »

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« Отговор #3850 -: Днес в 14:13:24 »
Ами горе-долу така. Слушам вече се започна с редакциите. Сега ще се активира бикът Джон /John Bull/

  с Европата на гърба и ще стане  една, пуканки  :popcorn:.


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Europe to Trump: Your Ukraine peace plan is no plan at all
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https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-donald-trump-kaja-kallas-diplomat-ukraine-war-moscow-russia-peace/
....не мрънкай - аз се страхувам да не се активира бикът БоЖо, не за друго, ами заради турската му жилка ... и оная вуйна Лиз Тръс (нищо сексистко, просто съм естет) ...
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Ако погледнем обаче по-сериозно на нещата, си струва да вземем тайм-аут, да се огледаме, да преспим и тогава да глаголим - твърде малко ни се казва, нихната ...
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« Отговор #3851 -: Днес в 14:35:28 »
Въпреки руско-украински звучащата фамилия на автора, момчето е янки, роден в Охайо от някаква мешаница, завършил политология някъде в САЩ, работил и защитил докторат в ИМЭМО АН СССР (РАН), работи, преподава и публикува от Москва, пише обективно, струва си  да се чете, макар че е дълго (Бепе, прощай) :
   
Analyzing All 28 Points Of The Leaked Russian-Ukrainian Peace Deal Framework
Andrew Korybko
Nov 21
   
The overarching theme connecting the substance and timing of this agreement is therefore the US’ eagerness to resolve the Russian-US dimension of the New Cold War in order to prioritize the Sino-US dimension thereof as the next phase of its systemic competition with China over the future world order.

The New York Post, which Trump once called his “favorite newspaper”, just published what it claims to be all 28 points of Russian-Ukrainian peace deal framework that Russia and the US have reportedly been working on in secret over the past few weeks.
What follows is the text of each individual point as detailed in the infographic shared in their article on this subject, which will then be concisely analyzed, with some observations about the substance of the agreement and its timing rounding out the analysis:

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1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.

This relates to Russia respecting Ukraine’s right to manage its affairs, both internal and foreign and each in accordance with the terms specified in this agreement. It’s pretty much symbolic and aimed at spinning the outcome of this conflict as a (faux) victory for Ukraine amidst the narrative that was pushed by it and the West that Russia wants to conquer all of the country. Some state-adjacent “Non-Russian Pro-Russians” (NRPR) also inadvertently lent credence to this through their sensationalist commentary.

2. A comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.

This relates to reforming the European security architecture and could thus likely be a protracted process due to the issues involved. Some of them include Russia’s access to Kaliningrad, navigation across the Baltic Sea, and its opposition to nukes in Poland, while Poland, whose lost Great Power status is being revived with US support, wants Russian tactical nukes and Oreshniks out of Belarus. The “EU Defense Line” that’s being built between NATO and Russia-Belarus will likely also become a “new Iron Curtain”.

3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighboring countries and NATO will not expand further.

This quid pro quo, which might include verification and enforcement mechanisms regarding the status of forces along the “new Iron Curtain”, is meant to alleviate their security dilemma and thus facilitate some of the aforesaid compromises. The US would also have a pretext for redeploying of some of its EU-based forces to the Asia-Pacific for more robustly containing China while Russia would have the same for refocusing its strategic attention southward in response to the expansion of Turkish influence there.

4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.

This reinforces what was written with respect to reaching a series of mutual compromises for alleviating their security dilemma with the intent of freeing up US and Russian forces to refocus on the Asia-Pacific and the South Caucasus-Central Asia respectively for balancing China and Turkiye. There’s also the speculative chance that the US could limit the expansion of NATO member Turkiye’s influence there in exchange for Russia limiting its military-technical and possibly energy cooperation with China.

5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.

It was assessed last March that “Ukraine Already Kinda Has Article 5 Guarantees From Some NATO Countries” due to the raft of “security guarantees” that it agreed to with the bloc’s members over the prior year, all of which are hyperlinked to in the preceding analysis. This point is therefore redundant but might also suggest an openness among those states – the US, Poland, the UK, Germany, France, and Italy – to renegotiate some of the terms to make them even more favorable for Ukraine.

6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.

The special operation’s demilitarization goal would be achieved in spirit through these means, though the loophole might be that Ukraine could still employ mercenaries to get around this limit. Nevertheless, with credible verification and enforcement mechanisms in place, the spirit of this point would be respected. Russia should therefore consider proposing this without delay in order to avert the scenario of Ukraine slyly undermining the peace (perhaps in collusion with the subversive and warmongering UK).

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

Russia’s goal of restoring Ukraine’s constitutional neutrality would be achieved in spirit through these means too, though the “security guarantees” that Ukraine would receive (or rather be grandfathered into a peace deal and possibly expanded upon before it’s signed) make it a shadow member of the bloc. In any case, by not becoming a full member, Russia’s long-running concerns about Ukraine provoking World War III would be alleviated and this could then lay the basis for repairing Russian-NATO relations.

8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

The “career military personnel from France and the United Kingdom” that Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service reported in late September had “already arrived in Odessa” would be quietly withdrawn, but the bloc might greatly build up its capabilities in regional leader Poland as a contingency measure. The purpose would be to deter Russia, albeit within the terms of the new European security architecture that they’ll negotiate, by having NATO forces at the ready to intervene if “Round 2” ever kicks off.

9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.

This point confirms that Poland will lead Russia’s regional containment after the Ukrainian Conflict ends, the role of which arguably evaded Russia’s attention due to it hitherto underestimating Poland as “just another US puppet”. That said, awareness of its role appears to have finally dawned on some influential folks in recent weeks as suggested by the surge in anti-Polish content by state-adjacent NRPRs, which could be meant to precondition the public for expecting a revival of the historical Russian-Polish rivalry.

10. US guarantee:

* The US will receive compensation for the guarantee;

* If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee;

* If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked;

* If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

The US will profit from its “security guarantees” to Ukraine just like it now profits from selling weapons to it via NATO; any cross-border movement of troops will provoke the US’ wrath on the side that does so; the US will presumably coerce those with whom it negotiates new trade deals (China, India) to comply with its sanctions against others per the Cambodian and Malaysian precedents as a deterrent to Russia; and Ukraine will presumably be allowed to obtain long-range missile capabilities as another deterrent.

11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.

The problem is that “Poland Might Impede The EU’s Push To Speedily Grant Ukraine Membership” as was assessed in early November and explained in the preceding hyperlinked analysis. In short, Poland still unilaterally refuses to allow cheap (and low-quality) Ukrainian grain into its domestic market, which would ruin its farmers’ livelihoods and subsequently crash its agricultural industry. An exception for Poland will therefore likely have to be included in this arrangement in order for it to be approved.

12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:

a. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centers, and artificial intelligence;

b. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernize, and operate Ukraine’s gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities;

c. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernization of cities and residential areas;

d. Infrastructure development;

e. Extraction of minerals and natural resources.

f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.

The gist is to create global stakes in Ukrainian infrastructure as a deterrent against Russia targeting them in “Round 2” on pain of most stakeholders (likely including China and India) imposing sanctions against it. NATO stakeholders would also at the very least resume their ongoing military-strategic cooperation with Ukraine and at most intervene in the conflict from their Polish bases even if only to race to the Dnieper to de facto partition Ukraine by bringing the west under their umbrella to stop Russia’s advance.

13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:

a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages on a case-by-case basis;

b. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centers, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities;

c. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.

This point complements the preceding one by giving Russia concrete economic reasons to restrain its hardliners/hawks and aligns with the spirit of the “creative energy diplomacy” proposals that were shared here in January. The tech cooperation aspects will lead to complex interdependence between Russia and the US within the “Fourth Industrial Revolution”/“Great Reset” (4IR/GR) at the possible expense of Putin’s sovereignty plans in this sphere and Russia’s potential cooperation with China therein.

14. Frozen funds will be used as follows:

* $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture;

* Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. Frozen European funds will be unfrozen;

* The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. The fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.

The first part continues the trend of the US profiting from this conflict, first from selling arms to Ukraine via NATO and then receiving compensation for its security guarantees to that country, while the second aligns with the multidimensional deterrence policies suggested in the preceding two points. It’ll also further strengthen complex interdependence between Russia and the US in the spirit of what was suggested here in April with regard to how Russia’s frozen assets could fund big-ticket US deals.

15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.

This point partially satisfies what was earlier proposed in this analysis regarding the creation of credible verification and enforcement mechanisms but still needs to be fleshed out to be effective. Russia could also importantly employ this channel for preemptively averting joint British-Ukrainian false flag provocations of the sort that its spies have occasionally warned about by getting the US to stop them first. This working group could also help manage the status of forces along the “new Iron Curtain”.

16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.

This will be just as symbolic as confirming Ukraine’s sovereignty and also aimed at spinning the outcome of this conflict as a (faux) victory for Ukraine as was explained in point 1. It remains to be seen whether this will influence the public statements of Russian officials and/or the content produced by publicly financed Russian media (both domestic and international) and state-adjacent NRPRs. Another question is what consequences could follow if Europe and/or Ukraine object to any of their statements or content.

17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of the treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START Treaty.

This aligns with Putin’s proposal for extending the New START for another year following its expiry next February, which would give Russia and the US enough time to negotiate its modernization in line with the newest security challenges. Some of the most significant include Trump’s “Golden Dome” megaproject, Russia’s latest missile advancements that were developed in response to the US’ withdrawal from other arms control pacts, drone proliferation, and the militarization of space.

18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

Ukraine’s flirtation with developing nuclear weapons in the immediate run-up to the special operation was one of the reasons why Putin ultimately authorized it in order to prevent this from happening. It would therefore be a victory for Russia if Ukraine agreed with this provision, but as with many of the other points in this agreement, credible verification and enforcement mechanisms must be implemented too. These could be negotiated through the joint security working groups stipulated in point 15.

19. The Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine – 50:50.

Russia had hitherto opposed conceding any element of its sovereignty over this power plant so this point represents an indisputable compromise on its part, though it’s a reasonable one when considering the compromises that Ukraine, the EU, NATO, and the US are making as proposed in this agreement. It’ll also importantly help lay the basis for restoring Russian-Ukrainian economic ties after the conflict ends, which could serve as another mutual deterrent against the “Round 2” scenario.

20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:

a. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities;

b. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education;

c. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited;

This point would satisfy the special operation’s denazification goal and lay the legal basis for restoring Russian-Ukrainian socio-cultural ties after the conflict ends. It’s also implied that Russian officials, its publicly financed media, and state-adjacent NRPRs can no longer deny the present separateness of the Ukrainian people despite their historical unity with Russians that Putin elaborated on in his magnum opus in July 2021. He himself also importantly wrote therein that this must be treated “with respect!”

21. Territories:

a. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognized as de facto Russian, including by the United States;

b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact;

c. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions;

d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone, internationally recognized as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarized zone.

This represents a significant compromise since Russia considers the entirety of the disputed regions to be its own. Point 2 also mandates resolving “all ambiguities of the last 30 years” so Russia couldn’t retain these claims after freezing the front, yet the constitution prohibits the cession of territory. Nevertheless, the legal workaround proposed here in August could be employed, by which the Constitutional Court could rule that there’s no “cession” since the abandoned claims wouldn’t concern land under its control.

22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.

This point reinforces the deterrence policies that were already proposed thus far in the agreement by encouraging political-diplomatic means for settling any future territorial disputes. Explicitly withdrawing the “security guarantees” extended to whichever side uses force against the other, which suggests even drone attacks and shelling (thus including sub-“invasion” hostilities after “invasions” are already prohibited by point 10), is meant to get them to maximally restraint their hardliners/hawks/revisionists.

23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.

State-adjacent and many casual NRPRs insisted that Russia will liberate Odessa before the conflict ends, yet that most definitely won’t happen if this agreement’s terms are agreed to, which essentially ensure that the lower Dnieper becomes the new border between Russia and Ukraine. Russia never set its sights on this goal, however, as explained here in December 2023. Formalizing Ukraine’s use of the Dnieper River and continued use of the Black Sea after the conflict ends therefore further discredits those figures.

24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:

a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis;

b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children;

c. A family reunification programme will be implemented;

d. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.

This point complements point 20 in the sense of establishing the basis for restoring Russian-Ukrainian socio-cultural ties after the conflict ends by helping each side overcome the trauma of the last nearly four years as much as is realistically possible. No festering wounds would remain in the humanitarian sense since each would have done everything that they could to make amends in this way. This series of grand gestures would importantly help repair each society’s perceptions of the other with time.

25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.

Russia’s unstated goal of regime change in Ukraine would likely be fulfilled through these means since Zelensky’s popularity was already plummeting even before the latest corruption scandal dealt a deathblow to it. Given the knowledge of this point in the Russian-Ukrainian peace deal that Russia and the US have reportedly been working on in secret, the timing of this latest scandal initiated by the US-backed “National Anti-Corruption Bureau” can be seen in retrospect as a de facto coup against Zelensky.

26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.

Full amnesty incentivizes Zelensky, his corrupt clique, and Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi war criminals to go along with this deal and for the first two to agree to the “phased leadership transition” from the prior point. Russia would abandon its plans for a Nuremburg 2.0, but Putin would be free to travel wherever he wants in exchange since the ICC’s warrant would be rescinded. Some among their societies might be enraged that justice won’t be served as they perceive it to be but it’s arguably a pragmatic compromise.

27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored by and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

It’s unclear who’ll all comprise the Peace Council and what its responsibilities will be, such as exactly how it’ll guarantee implementation of the agreement’s stipulated terms, but it’ll assumedly have a symbiotic relationship with the joint American-Russian working groups. Another uncertainty is who’ll head the Peace Council after Trump leaves the White House. These details are very important for ensuring lasting peace and will thus certainly be the subject of very intense future negotiations.

28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.

In other words, Russia, Ukraine, the US, NATO, the EU, and Poland (where European fighter jets are proposed to be hosted) must agree with these terms (which might be amended) as the prerequisite for a ceasefire (but Russian-Ukrainian agreement is the most important), while the “retreat” relates to Russia withdrawing from Sumy, Kharkov, and Dnipropetrovsk (possibly also the sliver of Nikoalev that it controls in the Kinburn Spit) and Ukraine from the rest of Donbass (leaving that ceded part a demilitarized zone).

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Some observations about the substance of this agreement and its timing are that:

* Russia achieves almost all of its goals in the special operation through Ukraine’s partial demilitarization, its denazification, the restoration of its constitutional neutrality, its abandonment of any nuclear weapons plans, reforming the European security architecture, and Zelensky’s removal (an unstated goal).

* “Round 2” is meant to be averted through “security guarantees” for Ukraine, the build-up of NATO forces in Poland for a direct intervention in that event, global investments in Ukrainian infrastructure as a tripwire for sanctions if Russia strikes them, and the US dumping Ukraine if it violates the agreement.

* Russia’s phased reintegration into the global (Western) economy and the partial use of its frozen funds for financing joint projects with the US, including those pertaining to strategic resources and the 4IR/GR, could complicate its ambitious (but far from fulfilled) plans with BRICS and economic ties with China.

* The preceding observation suggests that the US wants to prevent Russia from becoming China’s raw materials appendage for turbocharging its superpower trajectory and thenceforth more robustly competing with the US in shaping the contours of the emerging Multipolar World Order.

* Likewise, Russia’s agreement with the spirit of those associated proposals (even if their substance is amended through negotiations) would suggest that it fears becoming disproportionately dependent on China, ergo why it would radically recalibrate its geo-economic and tech ties through these means.

* The timing coincides with the US’ significant energy sanctions on Russia, which could backfire by making it more dependent on China to the US’ concern and possibly Russia’s too, and the US-facilitated expansion of NATO member Turkiye’s influence along Russia’s southern periphery via the TRIPP corridor.

* Accordingly, the US is incentivizing Russia to accept this deal by satisfying most of its goals in the conflict while also helping to avert “Round 2” through the previously mentioned means, while Russia must urgently refocus its strategic attention on the South Caucasus-Central Asia in response to Turkiye.

* Ukraine’s latest corruption scandal has also dealt a deathblow to Zelensky’s popularity and could lead to his loss of control over parliament if members of the ruling party defect in protest, thus pressuring him to accept the deal and the “phased leadership transition” therein in exchange for amnesty.

* Objectively speaking, the mutual compromises and deterrents against “Round 2” contained in the agreement are impressively pragmatic, so much so that each side could convincingly claim “victory” and thus make their respective leaders less worried about “losing face” if they were to agree to these terms.

* The successful implementation of the agreement would free up the US and Russia to each “Pivot to Asia”, the first in the sense of more robustly containing China in the Asia-Pacific and the second with regard to creatively counteracting the expansion of Turkiye’s influence along its southern periphery.

* Given that Turkiye is a NATO member under the US’ influence, a quid pro quo might be reached whereby the US limits the expansion of its ally’s influence there in exchange for Russia limiting its military-technical and possibly energy cooperation with China, thus giving the US an edge in their rivalry.

* The overarching theme connecting the substance and timing of this agreement is therefore the US’ eagerness to resolve the Russian-US dimension of the New Cold War in order to prioritize the Sino-US dimension thereof as the next phase of its systemic competition with China over the future world order.

“Когато думите изгубят значението си, хората губят свободата си.” Конфуций

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Re: Украйна
« Отговор #3852 -: Днес в 15:36:24 »
Понеже, както знаете, следя предимно извънземните канали и украинските канали, та ситуацията украинска е гротескна. Ама ме мълзи да ви предавам всичко от телеграма, а и няма как да копирам картинките оттам, а да ги преписвам не е същото.
Зеленото наркоман изобщо не е знаело какво става зад гърба му, нема да уволни Ермак,въпреки че украинските депутати правиха цветна революция по тоя въпрос завчера. Укрите напълно отхвърлиха плана на Витков, Стерненко даже писал в Х "Виткоф, иди на Эуй" без буквозаместване.

и наконец
"The Wall Street Journal со ссылкой на источники:
Украина существенно изменила один из 28 пунктов в версии плана, опубликованной в сети.

В первоначальном варианте, по-видимому, нацеленном на разоблачение предполагаемой коррупции, предлагалось провести аудит всей международной помощи, которую получила Украина. Формулировку изменили на: все стороны получат «полную амнистию за свои действия во время войны»."

Зеленский сейчас обсуждает план Трампа по телефону с Макроном, Стармером и Мерцем

Шарий:
"Германия возглавляет альянс по противодействию мирному плану Трампа, сообщает Bild

В офисе канцлера Мерца уже начали разрабатывать свой план завершения войны

Тупые немцы, которым Киев взорвал газопроводы, чем уничтожил промышленность, мало того, что не поняли - значительную часть их денег, отправленных в Киев, воровали.

Они еще и грудью встали за воров.

И хорошо. Это им за Гитлера."
Не можеш да проумееш глупостта.

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Re: Украйна
« Отговор #3853 -: Днес в 20:07:55 »
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14. Замразените средства ще бъдат използвани, както следва:

-- 100 милиарда долара от замразените руски активи ще бъдат инвестирани в ръководените от САЩ усилия за възстановяване и инвестиции в Украйна;

-- САЩ ще получат 50% от печалбите от това начинание.
https://glasove.com/na-fokus/tova-e-planat-na-tramp-za-prekratyavane-na-voynata-v-ukrayna
По принцип възстановяването е дело благородно.
Руснаците дават парите половината за Украйна, половината за САЩ?
Верно америманците имат проблеми, но едва ли са в разруха като Украйна.
Или са?
ЕС е вреден за вашето здраве!